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March 2008 
The Regenetics Method on "Making-It-All-Click!"
Posted on Mar 3rd, 2008
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INTERVIEW WITH AUTHOR SOL LUCKMAN BY PHARMACIST & MEDICAL INTUITIVE BRYAN FLOURNOY ON "MAKING-IT-ALL-CLICK!"
[Note: The following transcription has been edited for length and clarity.]
BRYAN FLOURNOY: Hello everyone! Thank you once again for tuning in. This is Bryan Flournoy on "Making-It-All-Click!" Today I'm very happy to be interviewing a healer in alternative energy medicine by the name of Sol Luckman. How are you, Sol?
SOL LUCKMAN: I'm good. How are you, Bryan?
BRYAN: Pretty good. Everyone, I met Sol in the Zaadz community online. Before we get started with this very intriguing interview regarding his modality, I'd like to read a little introduction about him from his Zaadz profile page: "'Human law is not the same as Sacred Law,' write Jamie Sams and David Carson in Medicine Cards. 'More so than any other medicine, Crow sees that the physical world and even the spiritual world, as humanity interprets them, are an illusion. There are billions of worlds. There are an infinitude of creatures. Great Spirit is within all.'" One of the first things I wanted to ask Sol was, Why the choice of the crow as an animal in your totem?
SOL: Well, Crow is my principle totem animal. When I was ill with a chronic autoimmune illness over a decade ago, I left graduate school and the hardcore world of left-brain academics and went on kind of a vision quest. I came West to seek healing, met Crow in my journey, and have been accompanied by that energy ever since.
BRYAN: Now, you came out West intentionally for a vision quest healing? Does that mean you were spiritual or metaphysically-minded before developing Regenetics?
SOL: I came out to study with an energy healer who had healed himself of chronic fatigue syndrome, which was what I imagined I had. His approach involved a lot of qigong. I'd experienced some positive benefits working with him when I first met him, but I was going on faith. I didn't necessarily think of it as a vision quest as I embarked on it, but it certainly was that.
BRYAN: How long did it take for you to transition or transmute your reality such that you're the healthy, vital person you are today?
SOL: That was in 1998 when I spent about a year out West being very committed to qigong, which got me back on my feet. After that I taught literature for a couple of years. At the end of the second year of teaching, my health broke down again. Though qigong had gotten me back on my feet, I still hadn't been able to get at the root cause of what was going on. So I spent a couple of years understanding the root cause doing various other energetic modalities such as NAET and BioSET, two allergy elimination techniques, and I actually learned a version of BioSET and offered that for about a year while still trying to heal myself. It was the end of that process that Potentiation, the first DNA activation of the Regenetics Method, came through. That was the turning point for me. I was feeling very much better after about six months, but I continued to detox and strengthen over another couple of years.
BRYAN: Did you make any dietary changes? Did you use any detoxification methods such as supplements?
SOL: I'd done this type of thing during my nearly decade-long illness a lot. My food allergies were so severe I couldn't eat anything but meat and unseasoned vegetables. Potentiation encouraged a tremendous amount of detoxification. I wouldn't have dared try to push it with supplements or other energetic modalities. In fact, my partner Leigh and I spend a lot of our time encouraging clients going through the Method to consider stopping doing things, as opposed to doing things.
BRYAN: Are you speaking of Potentiation of DNA as a specific stamp or program, and was that defined at the time you discovered it, or was it a process of discovery as you experienced your own self-healing?
SOL: Great question. It's one I've been thinking about a lot as I've been putting together a second book on the Method. I'm wanting to tell the story of this journey of discovery through the Regenetics Method and our own healing. In answer to your question ... Potentiation was very much a process. I thought I was probably dying and feel that I would have died, had I not discovered this work--or rather, had it not come through me. I was given spiritual guidance, for lack of better words, to go to South America with Leigh. I remember saying goodbye to my parents and family not knowing if I would see them again. It was during that trip that we received the linguistic codes for Potentiation and began implementing them, first on ourselves and then, about six months later, with other people.
BRYAN: Amazing! So when did DNA become part of your focus?
SOL: That became a very important part of what we were doing while I was still offering allergy elimination. At that time these techniques involved using little homeopathic vials holding a vibratory signature, an energy signature. For example, an allergen. You could hand someone a vial and muscle test the person to see if they had a strong or weak response. That would indicate whether they were having an allergic response to that substance; the allergy clearing itself involved doing light massage mostly on the back to stimulate an aspect of the acupressure meridian system to reset the nervous system's response to the allergen. There are various kinds of allergy elimination techniques: NAET, BioSET, JMT, and many other derivatives--some of which have evolved (if I can use that word) to use computer software to do the work as opposed to doing it manually. Leigh and I bought lots of vials for DNA, nucleotides, RNA, RNA-binding enzymes and everything in the world as we were learning more about DNA in general and the "ener-genetics" of DNA in particular. Then we began doing a lot of muscle testing with ourselves and our clients to understand how DNA was being impacted by various substances, such as vaccines and genetically modified foods, and in turn what DNA was doing to contribute to disease states on an energetic level.
BRYAN: What did you conclude regarding DNA's practical involvement in day-to-day physiology? What was your impression in light of what happens when people have allergic reactions? What did you derive DNA's interaction to be from an energetic standpoint?
SOL: It's a bit of a complicated situation because we discovered that not everyone is energetically the same. So with that as a caveat, I'll say that it became very clear that a lot of autoimmune illnesses--under that category I include chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, multiple chemical sensitivity, all the way up to AIDS--involve damaged DNA. With kinesiological testing, it was obvious that a major contributing factor in damaging DNA--actually reprogramming DNA from a repair enzyme into a disrepair enzyme--is vaccines. I'd go so far as to say that vaccines are the principle cause of most autoimmune conditions. If you're looking for etiology, there's an entire other way we could look at this. We could talk about the emotional body and people's willingness to get sick or even their need to get sick, in order to transcend or to move to another level personally. Certainly for me, I was in a field I didn’t particularly like (academics). I'm a person with much more artistic leanings and felt that part of me being squelched--and for me, illness became a way out, a way of reinventing my life. Not that it was easy and I certainly empathize greatly when people are going through that experience, but I know from hundreds of stories that have been shared with me that there are many people who see illness as an opportunity.
BRYAN: Do you feel that you do some shaman work along with some physical medicine?
SOL: I can't see any distinction between the two. If we accept that everything is based on energy templates, then doing energy work is doing physical work.
BRYAN: So do you consider yourself a healing facilitator, a practitioner, or more someone who instructs so others can self-heal?
SOL: I like the question. Leigh and I call ourselves Facilitators--not healers, practitioners, or doctors. For those who want it and perhaps feel they need it, we help jumpstart a self-healing potential that operates at the genomic level. We emphasize that the actualization of healing in a given individual is ultimately the individual's responsibility--and mostly, it's their responsibility at an attitudinal level. We find that nothing supports the healing process like people being in joy and creativity, spending time with people they love, laughing, etc., and that nothing shuts it down like judgment, skepticism, and fear. Actually, this is very much supported by some recent DNA research. There's a scientist named Glen Rein who looked at the way emotions either "decompress" or "compress" the DNA molecule. When we're in expanded states of consciousness emotionality, our DNA expands kind of like an accordion and RNA can access DNA healing codes because it can get in the crooks, crevices, and crannies. When we're in fear, when we we're judgment, self-judgment included (that's a big one), when we're in shame, then we contract our own DNA and limit our ability to self-heal.
BRYAN: Right! That's one of the interesting ideas I picked up when I was researching you--that you talk about the authentic expression of DNA. How would you define DNA's authentic expression?
SOL: That's not exactly a phrase I've used, though I think I may know what you're getting at. Even mainstream science admits that DNA is incredibly malleable. You have transposons that can hop to different chromosomal locations. Bruce Lipton's research very clearly shows that DNA is malleable to belief, that it's malleable to consciousness. Yet there's this idea that DNA is this monolithic thing because it's apparently really old. That's relativistic. I feel that DNA is essentially a piece of hardware or software, depending on how you want to look at it, and that it's designed to evolve. The true expression of DNA is to evolve.
BRYAN: Yes, its true expression is to evolve. When you have people coming to you either for instruction or to initiate self-healing, what kinds of initiations do you help facilitate? What tools do you use to get someone centered and be ready to expand their awareness?
SOL: The basic tools we use are radio and light waves. What is being called "wave-genetics" or "electrogenetics" is an emerging form of genetic science that is repeatedly showing that DNA can be evolved, transmuted, stimulated or activated by radio and light waves--specifically, radio and light waves keyed to human language frequencies. For example, the Gariaev group in Russia and another scientist who worked with Gariaev named Vladimir Poponin, as well as a Chinese scientist, have been using this technology. As you can imagine, this is pretty suppressed stuff. These people have been able to show that you can take a human sentence--such as "Be healed, chromosome!"--and translate it into radio and light waves that DNA can understand. Then when this translated sentence is "beamed" at a damaged chromosome, it will immediately heal.
BRYAN: How do you centralize or localize this application such that it's a message that can be received? The majority of our cells have their own copy of cellular DNA and cells are dying and being born and DNA is being damaged and repaired continuously. How do you actually apply energies such that general cells all get the same message and start cooperating?
SOL: Humans work holographically. The latest research on the brain, extending that into the electromagnetics of DNA and the nervous system, shows that everything is happening simultaneously. Energetically, we effectiveluy have a parallel-processing operating system. So what you're asking about isn't a problem. The real issue is what sounds do you make (radio waves), what thoughts do you think (light waves) to tell the system it's okay to begin releasing the toxicity and trauma that you are storing and that is killing you, in order to invite the body to tap into its own healing ability? The answers to these questions, from a Regenetics perspective, came to us on a highly intuitive level. We were actually "given" the idea of sound codes that could work genetically. An early realization we had that came out of some of our kinesiology was that the five vowels correspond to the five nucleotides of DNA and RNA. So when you use the vowels, you're stimulating the nucleotides directly. There's a lot of cosmology behind this that we could talk about--the basic idea being that in the beginning was the Word and the universe was spoken or sung into existence. Based on our research, it was sung into existence by inserting consonants which break up the flow of vowels. For us, linguistically speaking, that is the beginning of duality, separation, or the Fall. By using all vowels again to speak to the DNA, which has the memory of all of its past, including its "pre-history," you're encouraging DNA to go back to its original template, its pre-Fall template of health, vitality, and divinity.
BRYAN: Do you feel that you're encouraging a positive change of molecular DNA by way of its composition, or its behavior and the way that it interacts?
SOL: Our observation, or our conjecture, is that you're first changing the energy templates behind DNA. David Wilcock's research pretty much concludes that DNA is created by a form of energy he calls torsion energy. Torsion energy spins like DNA and was first identified by a scientist named Eli Cartan back in 1913. The Russians in the 1990s alone authored about 5,000 papers on the subject of torsion energy. It appears that torsion energy is the closest energy that is in any sense measurable that could be also called consciousness. This energy spins DNA into being. It underwrites, underlies, undergirds the DNA template. Really, we're getting into the energy body here, the lightbody. You begin working at the energetic level to change the alchemical templates behind the biochemistry. We believe that this begins to create physiological, biochemical changes. We've had clients report some very strange things. This is anecdotal, not a scientific evaluation. But we've had a number of clients report changes in overall posture, handedness, and even eyesight. As in from left to right eye, right to left hand. Our initial thought was that, well, you know how DNA is this twisted ribbon ...
BRYAN: Yeah.
SOL: ... with a backup copy. The "front" part is the operational copy and is what gets damaged by vaccines, by genetically modified foods, and that kind of thing. The backup copy we surmise isn't damaged. It's possible that the first thing that happens after the alchemical moment is that DNA changes around the ribbon and starts operating off the backup copy, so that it can begin undoing the toxicity and trauma that it allowed into the body when it became a disrepair molecule.
BRYAN: Very interesting! Let me ask you, what have you come to understand happens to DNA when a vaccine is introduced and the result is that the DNA is damaged?
SOL: I'm going to simplify this because it's a very complex question you're asking. When you look at the situation purely energetically, there are certain "ring-pass-nots" in some people, who don't get damaged by vaccines because they have a different energy structure. Other people get damaged because the energy structure doesn't have these ring-pass-nots. For those people who get damaged, what happens is that the reverse transcriptase enzyme, the reverse-writing enzyme found in the RNA parts of the monkey viruses, cow leukemias and everything in the world found in almost all of today's vaccines, are "written up" into the genetic code. So the genetic code, if you think of it as a bar code, is literally changed by the insertion of new bars or proteins into the code. It begins carrying out different functions just like a changed bar code would.
BRYAN: Exactly! Actually, that's kind of how genetic mutation occurs. We call it biotechnology, when we reprogram microorganisms like E. coli to create synthetic human insulin ...
SOL: We know it happens in the microorganism world. Biotechnology happens there all the time, but many people are in denial, especially mainstream medical science, that genetic mutation can happen in humans as a result of vaccines. But why? There's a biologist named Elisabet Sahtouris we published a couple of times in our free ezine DNA Monthly. She wrote a book called Living Systems in Evolution and has done a lot of research basically comparing human evolution to the evolution of bacterial colonies.
BRYAN: Oh, really!
SOL: Yeah, it's fascinating. Some of her observations are just so keen. One of her points is that mutational insertions into the genome happen constantly at the microorganismic level--and may possibly be happening in humans in well. She's really making a point that such insertions could play a role in greater human evolution, but she isn't tying them into vaccines per se. Back to this whole idea that illness can be a crisis but also an opportunity ... If someone inserts a bunch of junk into your DNA and you have to transcend it, you're going to come out on the other end at a much higher level of mastery in consciousness.
BRYAN: You're right. Exactly. It's interesting to take a step back into her concept, comparing human and bacterial evolution. Bacteria are single-cell organisms, but they come together as a colony. When you view them as a group and their genetic activity as a colony, then it makes their DNA expression more sophisticated--much like ours--complex organisms made up of different single cells that are highly differentiated ... On the other hand, that's how bacteria become resistant to antibiotics.
SOL: Absolutely. She's pointing out how bacteria literally, in these colonies that are essentially cities, create homes, subdivisions, roads, waste removal, etc. There's a specific defense or immune response that bacteria have that they turn off when they come into the colony. So they actually appear to be a little more advanced than we are in some ways because they can coexist peacefully.
BRYAN: That's what I was going to say: they can create harmony quite successfully with their level of consciousness. And you're right, who's to say who is more evolved consciously or organically? What do most people ask of you for healing or to get their Regenetics process started? What can they expect from you to initiate it--instruction, interaction, or advice?
SOL: Nexus New Times is a publication out of Australia you're probably familiar with. They did a really nice review of our book Conscious Healing about a year ago. They called it "a paradigm-reworking book" and this one of the areas where it's definitely a paradigm-reworking book. We love when people come to us and have already read the book or at least our website. That's very helpful because it introduces the new paradigm. One of the main aspects of the new paradigm is that we're completely stepping away from the diagnostic model. Diagnosis, etymologically, means "to read through" in order to gain a higher knowledge or gnosis, but diagnosis has become in this culture a kind of death sentence in many instances. When we perform a Potentiation session for someone, we're essentially always doing the same thing--that is, activating the self-repair mechanism and initiating a bioenergetic recalibration. Diagnosis doesn't play a role in what we do. In fact, basing our position on a lot of studies that have shown that if you don't have attachment as a healer, you're a better healer, we often don't even want to know what's going on with our clients. This keeps us from having that very human tendency to say, "This person has a really serious problem. I hope we can help them!" That's attachment and right there you lose healing power based on a number of double-blind studies.
BRYAN: Lovely. But how do you begin teaching? First of all, can you tell me a little bit about some of the courses, because one of the things I wanted to know is what you consider your main interaction with people? How do you get your information out and how does this information impact people? How one-on-one are you?
SOL: At this point, we have a dozen or so Facilitators in three or four countries. In addition to distance healing, they also perform the work for people who choose to experience it in person. We spend a lot of time interacting with our clients and in training. We're really fortunate to have been doing this for several years now and to have a fairly well-established international clientele. A lot of times we're contacted via email to set up a session. We have scheduling materials designed to help orient people.
BRYAN: What are these materials like?
SOL: First of all, we agree on a time that works for both parties for the 30-minute session. We get an RSVP on that before moving forward. We talk a little bit about intention, setting intention, and working with intention. There really aren't any "don'ts" as long as you're conscious that this is what you want to do. Then for the session, people sometimes go into a meditation state, some people take a walk, etc. There are many different approaches. We perform sessions at a distance. We don't use the telephone, which is another piece of information we give people. The work is essentially ceremonial. Clients are instructed to interface with their own intentions in their own quiet space that feels good. A lot of times, the work is very tangible for people. We've gotten lots of very funny stories of people's experiences during the session of sweating, buzzing, you name it. Often the work will even start before the session begins. It's very nonlocal that way. Then we follow up by checking in with the client the following day. We're also available to answer questions and give feedback as people go through this process. Potentiation is a nine-month process once it initiates.
BRYAN: Is that in any way related to the term of pregnancy?
SOL: Yes, it is. We didn't set out in a conscious way for it to last that long, but it did. The third DNA activation in the Regenetics Method, Elucidation, also lasts a "gestation cycle" of just over nine months. We think of both of these activations as gestation cycles for new levels of consciousness.
BRYAN: Interesting.
SOL: It really is. The reason Leigh and I called our first book Conscious Healing was because we felt that what occurs to heal the body in this process is an increase in consciousness. Disease always stems from either toxicity or trauma, or both. One of the reasons we're not stuck on the diagnostic model is because when people go through this work, the energy that is initiated cycles through their electromagnetic fields and chakras. Each of these energetic centers is related to an organ, a set of emotions, a set of toxins, a set of pathogens, a set of disease conditions. So every time the energy passes through that frequency band, it works on healing all those issues. You don't have to direct the energy specifically because the intelligence of the body is doing it just fine. Let's say chronic fatigue is in someone's seventh field with that person's feelings of helplessness and apathy as well vaccine issues. All of these elements will tend to come up and out at the same time.
BRYAN: You're making mention of experiences, memories, exposure to toxins, all forms of energy that create harmony amongs themselves and then, synergistically, challenge a person's health and vitality.
SOL: Yes. Illness is typically a complex of things, elements building on other elements, where the sum is greater than the parts.
BRYAN: Right. That's what I'm picking up. What you're saying is that energy gets "unspiraled," so to speak, as your process progresses. Did you say that there is a facilitator and a receiver?
SOL: Yes, the Facilitator does the actual intoning, the chanting using the dual sound and thought sequences that we were given and that we teach.
BRYAN: Now, is anyone doing any documentation in the event some objective information comes through regarding a particular patient in their healing?
SOL: We have a couple of naturopaths, a licensed physical therapist, a psychotherapist and a massage therapist facilitating the work. Obviously, they're making some notes as to what's going on. There isn't currently an empirical study on Regenetics.
BRYAN: When you're working in this capacity with a client and some information surfaces, do you sometimes jot that down and share that with the patient to get some meaningful, objective feedback? Or do you tuck that away and just keep working with the energy?
SOL: We just work with the energy. If people come to us with questions, we might pull some of our insights out to share, but again, that's not the focus. Sharing too much borders on overstepping the proper boundaries. Too much sharing isn't necessarily "reading through" and can border on "reading into," which is the problem with a lot of present-day "diagnosis" and "readings." There's a wonderful, kind of funny book on the ascension process called What Is Lightbody? One of the beautiful lines in it is to the effect that, "Everyone here is a master and we are all just fine." We believe that people are extremely powerful. A lot of our time is spent like a coach on the sideline just saying, "You can do it!" You can do this. You know the answers. If you need different food, different supplementation, if you need any of that, then you know what it is. Listen to your cravings. What are your impulses? What are your dreams telling you? What is your body telling you? We're conditioned in this culture to give away all of our power to somebody else who's supposed to be an expert on our body …
BRYAN: And our preferences.
SOL: And our preferences.
BRYAN: What I find fascinating is that you have a very specific appreciation for hard science and expound on interrelating themes such as energy, thermodynamics, quantum physics, down to molecular biology. Why do you take the time to continue to ask those kinds of questions when you're working on a holographic level?
SOL: Because a lot of people aren't yet. In order to reach people, we found it very helpful to satisfy that left-brain part that might disregard or discount inner knowing. By bringing in some hard science and new genetics, we've found that we can help people consider the possibility that maybe there isn’t any such thing as hard science, that we're very powerful creators indeed. That's really why The Secret has taken off. I have lots of observations that I could make about some of the shortcomings in that movie, but its basic message is valid: reality isn't fixed in the way we've been taught.
BRYAN: Oh, really? How have we been taught?
SOL: We've been taught that there is an immutable "real," that everyone shares the same "reality," that DNA is a fixed program, that it can't evolve, that it has been this way for a long time and will always be this way. Then you have Gregg Braden in his most recent book, The Divine Matrix, drawing on lot of the same research we used when we were putting together the Regenetics Method, saying that based on the evidence, the "hard" scientific evidence, there's a previously unrecognized or unqualified form of energy that exists between living tissues, that cells and DNA communicate using this energy, that human emotion impacts it, and that somehow distance doesn't come into play at all with respect to this powerful genetic consciousness. There's this matrix surrounding us that is really torsion energy, taking the discussion back to Wilcock, that is directly modified by DNA just as it modifies DNA ... "As above, so below." The Hermetic Principle.
BRYAN: I agree with you one hundred percent. We've got this chemical concept called allosterism, which means that certain enzymes created by our DNA to interact with certain molecules have a certain structural activity relationship, which means they're meant to interact with some chemical that's made by our body. The DNA makes the chemical and also the membrane with which the enzyme to interact. So there's this opportunity for DNA to be in harmony with itself, if you can imagine DNA making a neurotransmitter and the same DNA being responsible for creating the membrane or the receptor with which the molecular neurotransmitter is to interact ...
SOL: A closed or self-referential circuit.
BRYAN: Right. I'm beginning to understand something about the Divine Matrix. As you were speaking I was picking up some information about the fact that human beings aren't the only organisms on earth with cellular DNA. I started to see plants, trees, animals and all kinds of microorganisms with their owned autonomous DNA energy contributing to this mass electromagnetic pattern. Could you expound a little on what you think about the healing of the planet and DNA? Do you feel that Regenetics applies even to other organisms, other kingdoms?
SOL: This is such a complex subject in some ways. An environmentalist friend of mine once remarked how hubristic it is for us to think that we could save the planet. We're her children, she's our mother. But at the same time, I feel that we can be of great benefit to the planet--so there is a reciprocal relationship. Earth can contribute to our healing, an we can contribute to her healing simultaneously, as we mutually contribute to the evolution, the Shift we're all experiencing. If you were to ask some of our Facilitators, you'd probably hear that they feel that Regenetics is absolutely in service to the planet, and that's the reason some of them offer it. We keep our focus on people, but there's another level or octave where we're working with even larger objectives. We think of ourselves as operating within an eight-dimensional system.
BRYAN: Pardon my "newbieism," but why do you think that's important, eight levels?
SOL: That's a great question, too. Normal people walking around who haven't done a certain level of activation on themselves or received an activation have nine electromagnetic fields--nine frequency bands, in other words--corresponding to nine chakras.
BRYAN: I knew you were going to say that.
SOL: Traditionally, you hear about seven chakras, but there have been a number of intuitives in recent years, such as Caroline Myss, who have picked up on an eighth and even a ninth chakra. Our understanding is that the eighth energy field governs maternal DNA and the ninth governs paternal DNA--so these are the subtlest of the chakras, but also the most powerful. The reason people have a ninth field to begin with is that they have an extra field, the second or sex chakra, that we call the Fragmentary Body. The Fragmentary Body is the duality principle imprinted by the initial speech act of creation that seeded the separation principle into human bioener-genetics. The first DNA activation in the Regenetics Method, Potentiation, recalibrates the body from nine chakras and fields to eight chakras and fields. In this process the Fragmentary Body--which is the very principle that keeps people separated, that ruins relationships, that drains our vitality--is "sealed." Once this "leak" is sealed, there's an abundance of torsion energy or kundalini, prana, chi or whatever you wish to call it, available to help heal the system. Keeping in mind the intimate relationship between the microcosmic and macrocosmic, it stands to reason, in our model, that if there are eight fields (which we think of as dimensions) in a healthy human system, there are probably eight universal dimensions leading to a ninth, which we envision as the transdimension of Source. Much of David Wilcock's work is also based on an eight-dimensional model.
BRYAN: You know, it's very interesting to understand how even our energy expression has a compensatory mechanism. When something gets out of whack, you're saying another concentrated energy expression gets created as ... a side effect or symptom that a facilitator can help correct.
SOL: The Fragmentary Body comes about as a surplus and is, effectively, a vacuum. It occupies a non-space and, in effect, separates our dense molecular physicality from the higher octaves of our spirituality. Many ancient techniques, including alchemy and meditation, have historically served to help "bridge" the Fragmentary Body, thus connecting, at least partially, spirit and matter. The problem with most of these ancient techniques that have come down to us, at least the ones I'm familiar with, is that they don't do anything to heal the Fragmentary Body itself. They mediate between the physical self and spiritual self, but they fail to establish the means by which we can be fully both physical and spiritual beings all the time.
BRYAN: Let's say we're looking at a human being with some health or emotional issues and we define these as an aspect of separation between the individual and the Divine Matrix. But by not really addressing what severs our connection, you're saying that it remains an intelligent energy of its own, the Fragmentary Body, that needs to be dealt with.
SOL: Well, "dealt with" in the sense of being integrated. The Fragmentary Body is the surplus, that part of us that we've pushed away from ourselves. It is both our greatest liability and greatest opportunity. You've probably heard of people having kundalini blowouts?
BRYAN: Yeah.
SOL: Running so much energy through their circuits they hurt themselves? Kundalini sits in the first chakra area, the root, coiled like a serpent ready to uncoil. Different techniques have had the ability historically to make that energy, like lightning, leap across the Fragmentary Body into the higher energy centers. These techniques have to employ such force to leap the Fragmentary Body that they can be dangerous, because you can blow out your frontal lobes basically, really fry your circuits. I'm familiar with another healer who used to be flown all over the world on a regular basis to help nurse people back to sanity and health who had fried themselves with kundalini.
BRYAN: Is kundalini what you would consider our primordial, most basic energy?
SOL: We call it Universal Creative Consciousness. It's just torsion energy. The human version of it in its most powerful form sits anatomically down around the first chakra. We've experienced and observed that when you seal the Fragmentary Body, you create a more stable road for this energy to travel up and down, and you don't have to have an explosion of kundalini to benefit from a gradual enhancement of this energy.
BRYAN: Got you. Before I pressed record, you told me a little about some of your classes. You mentioned a curriculum that's about to start in April. Can you tell us a little about that?
SOL: We're having a Regenetics Seminar in April and will be teaching all four levels of the work, the first three activations in addition to a series of supplemental activations called Songs of Distinction. We'll also be offering another Regenetics Seminar in the fall.
BRYAN: Can you tell us a little bit about Articulation?
SOL: After the energy has cycled through the electromagnetic fields and chakras during Potentiation, what you then have is a sealed Fragmentary Body awaiting further activation. Formerly, to be exact, this center was the Fragmentary Body, and now it's something different. But it hasn't even begun to reach its creative and energetic potential. Basically, Articulation is designed to "potentiate" the Fragmentary Body. We call it a "bioenergy enhancement" because it increases overall bioenergy, including systemic intelligence, creative expression, and healthy sexuality.
BRYAN: You also mentioned earlier that you have some new books coming out. Could you tell us a little about those?
SOL: The Spanish language edition of Conscious Healing will be released this spring. The Turkish edition came out last year and has sold very well. Then I have three seriocomic novels out (the first two of which I'm currently giving away) representing the first half of the Beginner's Luke Series. Beginner's Luke is about the role of consciousness and imagination in reality creation. These books are already written and I'm bringing them out sequentially.
BRYAN: You've already written all six?
SOL: Yes.
BRYAN: And they're fiction?
SOL: Yes, they're very irreverent in a lot of ways. Some of my favorite fiction writers are Jack Kerouac, Henry Miller, and Tom Robbins. My novels employ the platform of a character named Luke who invents his reality. In a fictitious way, they teach or model for people what they're already doing, consciously or otherwise.
BRYAN: What better way to introduce transcendental consciousness, and our creativity in tapping into it, than a novel?
SOL: I agree.
BRYAN: I just read C. G. Walters' Sacred Vow, which is also a novel that has a perspective of alternate, parallel, simultaneous, instantaneous realities. It's sort of an instruction manual for how to access this level of awareness. Do you believe in magic?
SOL: I absolutely believe we live in a magical world. Is "magic" required to live a magical existence? Certainly not.
BRYAN: What about your paintings? Are you going to open up a really cool gallery one day and sell your work? I've really been appreciating it.
SOL: Thanks. I don't know if I'm going to show it. I'm thinking about launching a website at some point and doing what's called giclees, which are very high-quality prints that people could order. It would be an online gallery and people could order prints of the paintings they like.
BRYAN: Lovely. Well, our time is about up. I can't believe how quickly the time has passed. I'm looking forward to reconnecting with you, Sol, and I really appreciate your coming on this show.
SOL: It's my pleasure.
BRYAN: If you had a little time to tell the audience in a nutshell what Regenetics is about, how would you lure them in?
SOL: I wouldn't try to "lure" anybody. Either people resonate with this work, or they don't. We've learned from doing this for a while that we only want to work with people who really want to work with us.
BRYAN: There you go, there it is right there. We want to work with people who want to work with us. Well, you did it. Thank you
SOL: Thank you, Bryan.
[Disclaimer: The Phoenix Center for Regenetics offers cutting-edge educational services and materials designed to activate unity consciousness and actualize human potential. Our Mission is to foster holistic wellbeing and conscious personal mastery. Our unique approach honors the full body-mind-spirit continuum while focusing on healing as an ultimately self-directed process of becoming "whole." The Developers and all trained Facilitators of the Regenetics Method (which subsumes Potentiation Electromagnetic Repatterning, Articulation Bioenergy Enhancement, Elucidation Triune Activation, and Songs of Distinction) offer DNA activation as educators and ordained ministers, not medical doctors, and do not purport to diagnose or treat illness of any kind. Regenetics Method information and sessions are offered, and accepted, as constitutionally protected exercises of freedom of speech and religion. The Developers and Facilitators of the Regenetics Method make no claims, promises or guarantees relative to specific health challenges. You are solely responsible for your own medical treatment and care.]
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BRYAN FLOURNOY: Hello everyone! Thank you once again for tuning in. This is Bryan Flournoy on "Making-It-All-Click!" Today I'm very happy to be interviewing a healer in alternative energy medicine by the name of Sol Luckman. How are you, Sol?
SOL LUCKMAN: I'm good. How are you, Bryan?
BRYAN: Pretty good. Everyone, I met Sol in the Zaadz community online. Before we get started with this very intriguing interview regarding his modality, I'd like to read a little introduction about him from his Zaadz profile page: "'Human law is not the same as Sacred Law,' write Jamie Sams and David Carson in Medicine Cards. 'More so than any other medicine, Crow sees that the physical world and even the spiritual world, as humanity interprets them, are an illusion. There are billions of worlds. There are an infinitude of creatures. Great Spirit is within all.'" One of the first things I wanted to ask Sol was, Why the choice of the crow as an animal in your totem?
SOL: Well, Crow is my principle totem animal. When I was ill with a chronic autoimmune illness over a decade ago, I left graduate school and the hardcore world of left-brain academics and went on kind of a vision quest. I came West to seek healing, met Crow in my journey, and have been accompanied by that energy ever since.
BRYAN: Now, you came out West intentionally for a vision quest healing? Does that mean you were spiritual or metaphysically-minded before developing Regenetics?
SOL: I came out to study with an energy healer who had healed himself of chronic fatigue syndrome, which was what I imagined I had. His approach involved a lot of qigong. I'd experienced some positive benefits working with him when I first met him, but I was going on faith. I didn't necessarily think of it as a vision quest as I embarked on it, but it certainly was that.
BRYAN: How long did it take for you to transition or transmute your reality such that you're the healthy, vital person you are today?
SOL: That was in 1998 when I spent about a year out West being very committed to qigong, which got me back on my feet. After that I taught literature for a couple of years. At the end of the second year of teaching, my health broke down again. Though qigong had gotten me back on my feet, I still hadn't been able to get at the root cause of what was going on. So I spent a couple of years understanding the root cause doing various other energetic modalities such as NAET and BioSET, two allergy elimination techniques, and I actually learned a version of BioSET and offered that for about a year while still trying to heal myself. It was the end of that process that Potentiation, the first DNA activation of the Regenetics Method, came through. That was the turning point for me. I was feeling very much better after about six months, but I continued to detox and strengthen over another couple of years.
BRYAN: Did you make any dietary changes? Did you use any detoxification methods such as supplements?
SOL: I'd done this type of thing during my nearly decade-long illness a lot. My food allergies were so severe I couldn't eat anything but meat and unseasoned vegetables. Potentiation encouraged a tremendous amount of detoxification. I wouldn't have dared try to push it with supplements or other energetic modalities. In fact, my partner Leigh and I spend a lot of our time encouraging clients going through the Method to consider stopping doing things, as opposed to doing things.
BRYAN: Are you speaking of Potentiation of DNA as a specific stamp or program, and was that defined at the time you discovered it, or was it a process of discovery as you experienced your own self-healing?
SOL: Great question. It's one I've been thinking about a lot as I've been putting together a second book on the Method. I'm wanting to tell the story of this journey of discovery through the Regenetics Method and our own healing. In answer to your question ... Potentiation was very much a process. I thought I was probably dying and feel that I would have died, had I not discovered this work--or rather, had it not come through me. I was given spiritual guidance, for lack of better words, to go to South America with Leigh. I remember saying goodbye to my parents and family not knowing if I would see them again. It was during that trip that we received the linguistic codes for Potentiation and began implementing them, first on ourselves and then, about six months later, with other people.
BRYAN: Amazing! So when did DNA become part of your focus?
SOL: That became a very important part of what we were doing while I was still offering allergy elimination. At that time these techniques involved using little homeopathic vials holding a vibratory signature, an energy signature. For example, an allergen. You could hand someone a vial and muscle test the person to see if they had a strong or weak response. That would indicate whether they were having an allergic response to that substance; the allergy clearing itself involved doing light massage mostly on the back to stimulate an aspect of the acupressure meridian system to reset the nervous system's response to the allergen. There are various kinds of allergy elimination techniques: NAET, BioSET, JMT, and many other derivatives--some of which have evolved (if I can use that word) to use computer software to do the work as opposed to doing it manually. Leigh and I bought lots of vials for DNA, nucleotides, RNA, RNA-binding enzymes and everything in the world as we were learning more about DNA in general and the "ener-genetics" of DNA in particular. Then we began doing a lot of muscle testing with ourselves and our clients to understand how DNA was being impacted by various substances, such as vaccines and genetically modified foods, and in turn what DNA was doing to contribute to disease states on an energetic level.
BRYAN: What did you conclude regarding DNA's practical involvement in day-to-day physiology? What was your impression in light of what happens when people have allergic reactions? What did you derive DNA's interaction to be from an energetic standpoint?
SOL: It's a bit of a complicated situation because we discovered that not everyone is energetically the same. So with that as a caveat, I'll say that it became very clear that a lot of autoimmune illnesses--under that category I include chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, multiple chemical sensitivity, all the way up to AIDS--involve damaged DNA. With kinesiological testing, it was obvious that a major contributing factor in damaging DNA--actually reprogramming DNA from a repair enzyme into a disrepair enzyme--is vaccines. I'd go so far as to say that vaccines are the principle cause of most autoimmune conditions. If you're looking for etiology, there's an entire other way we could look at this. We could talk about the emotional body and people's willingness to get sick or even their need to get sick, in order to transcend or to move to another level personally. Certainly for me, I was in a field I didn’t particularly like (academics). I'm a person with much more artistic leanings and felt that part of me being squelched--and for me, illness became a way out, a way of reinventing my life. Not that it was easy and I certainly empathize greatly when people are going through that experience, but I know from hundreds of stories that have been shared with me that there are many people who see illness as an opportunity.
BRYAN: Do you feel that you do some shaman work along with some physical medicine?
SOL: I can't see any distinction between the two. If we accept that everything is based on energy templates, then doing energy work is doing physical work.
BRYAN: So do you consider yourself a healing facilitator, a practitioner, or more someone who instructs so others can self-heal?
SOL: I like the question. Leigh and I call ourselves Facilitators--not healers, practitioners, or doctors. For those who want it and perhaps feel they need it, we help jumpstart a self-healing potential that operates at the genomic level. We emphasize that the actualization of healing in a given individual is ultimately the individual's responsibility--and mostly, it's their responsibility at an attitudinal level. We find that nothing supports the healing process like people being in joy and creativity, spending time with people they love, laughing, etc., and that nothing shuts it down like judgment, skepticism, and fear. Actually, this is very much supported by some recent DNA research. There's a scientist named Glen Rein who looked at the way emotions either "decompress" or "compress" the DNA molecule. When we're in expanded states of consciousness emotionality, our DNA expands kind of like an accordion and RNA can access DNA healing codes because it can get in the crooks, crevices, and crannies. When we're in fear, when we we're judgment, self-judgment included (that's a big one), when we're in shame, then we contract our own DNA and limit our ability to self-heal.
BRYAN: Right! That's one of the interesting ideas I picked up when I was researching you--that you talk about the authentic expression of DNA. How would you define DNA's authentic expression?
SOL: That's not exactly a phrase I've used, though I think I may know what you're getting at. Even mainstream science admits that DNA is incredibly malleable. You have transposons that can hop to different chromosomal locations. Bruce Lipton's research very clearly shows that DNA is malleable to belief, that it's malleable to consciousness. Yet there's this idea that DNA is this monolithic thing because it's apparently really old. That's relativistic. I feel that DNA is essentially a piece of hardware or software, depending on how you want to look at it, and that it's designed to evolve. The true expression of DNA is to evolve.
BRYAN: Yes, its true expression is to evolve. When you have people coming to you either for instruction or to initiate self-healing, what kinds of initiations do you help facilitate? What tools do you use to get someone centered and be ready to expand their awareness?
SOL: The basic tools we use are radio and light waves. What is being called "wave-genetics" or "electrogenetics" is an emerging form of genetic science that is repeatedly showing that DNA can be evolved, transmuted, stimulated or activated by radio and light waves--specifically, radio and light waves keyed to human language frequencies. For example, the Gariaev group in Russia and another scientist who worked with Gariaev named Vladimir Poponin, as well as a Chinese scientist, have been using this technology. As you can imagine, this is pretty suppressed stuff. These people have been able to show that you can take a human sentence--such as "Be healed, chromosome!"--and translate it into radio and light waves that DNA can understand. Then when this translated sentence is "beamed" at a damaged chromosome, it will immediately heal.
BRYAN: How do you centralize or localize this application such that it's a message that can be received? The majority of our cells have their own copy of cellular DNA and cells are dying and being born and DNA is being damaged and repaired continuously. How do you actually apply energies such that general cells all get the same message and start cooperating?
SOL: Humans work holographically. The latest research on the brain, extending that into the electromagnetics of DNA and the nervous system, shows that everything is happening simultaneously. Energetically, we effectiveluy have a parallel-processing operating system. So what you're asking about isn't a problem. The real issue is what sounds do you make (radio waves), what thoughts do you think (light waves) to tell the system it's okay to begin releasing the toxicity and trauma that you are storing and that is killing you, in order to invite the body to tap into its own healing ability? The answers to these questions, from a Regenetics perspective, came to us on a highly intuitive level. We were actually "given" the idea of sound codes that could work genetically. An early realization we had that came out of some of our kinesiology was that the five vowels correspond to the five nucleotides of DNA and RNA. So when you use the vowels, you're stimulating the nucleotides directly. There's a lot of cosmology behind this that we could talk about--the basic idea being that in the beginning was the Word and the universe was spoken or sung into existence. Based on our research, it was sung into existence by inserting consonants which break up the flow of vowels. For us, linguistically speaking, that is the beginning of duality, separation, or the Fall. By using all vowels again to speak to the DNA, which has the memory of all of its past, including its "pre-history," you're encouraging DNA to go back to its original template, its pre-Fall template of health, vitality, and divinity.
BRYAN: Do you feel that you're encouraging a positive change of molecular DNA by way of its composition, or its behavior and the way that it interacts?
SOL: Our observation, or our conjecture, is that you're first changing the energy templates behind DNA. David Wilcock's research pretty much concludes that DNA is created by a form of energy he calls torsion energy. Torsion energy spins like DNA and was first identified by a scientist named Eli Cartan back in 1913. The Russians in the 1990s alone authored about 5,000 papers on the subject of torsion energy. It appears that torsion energy is the closest energy that is in any sense measurable that could be also called consciousness. This energy spins DNA into being. It underwrites, underlies, undergirds the DNA template. Really, we're getting into the energy body here, the lightbody. You begin working at the energetic level to change the alchemical templates behind the biochemistry. We believe that this begins to create physiological, biochemical changes. We've had clients report some very strange things. This is anecdotal, not a scientific evaluation. But we've had a number of clients report changes in overall posture, handedness, and even eyesight. As in from left to right eye, right to left hand. Our initial thought was that, well, you know how DNA is this twisted ribbon ...
BRYAN: Yeah.
SOL: ... with a backup copy. The "front" part is the operational copy and is what gets damaged by vaccines, by genetically modified foods, and that kind of thing. The backup copy we surmise isn't damaged. It's possible that the first thing that happens after the alchemical moment is that DNA changes around the ribbon and starts operating off the backup copy, so that it can begin undoing the toxicity and trauma that it allowed into the body when it became a disrepair molecule.
BRYAN: Very interesting! Let me ask you, what have you come to understand happens to DNA when a vaccine is introduced and the result is that the DNA is damaged?
SOL: I'm going to simplify this because it's a very complex question you're asking. When you look at the situation purely energetically, there are certain "ring-pass-nots" in some people, who don't get damaged by vaccines because they have a different energy structure. Other people get damaged because the energy structure doesn't have these ring-pass-nots. For those people who get damaged, what happens is that the reverse transcriptase enzyme, the reverse-writing enzyme found in the RNA parts of the monkey viruses, cow leukemias and everything in the world found in almost all of today's vaccines, are "written up" into the genetic code. So the genetic code, if you think of it as a bar code, is literally changed by the insertion of new bars or proteins into the code. It begins carrying out different functions just like a changed bar code would.
BRYAN: Exactly! Actually, that's kind of how genetic mutation occurs. We call it biotechnology, when we reprogram microorganisms like E. coli to create synthetic human insulin ...
SOL: We know it happens in the microorganism world. Biotechnology happens there all the time, but many people are in denial, especially mainstream medical science, that genetic mutation can happen in humans as a result of vaccines. But why? There's a biologist named Elisabet Sahtouris we published a couple of times in our free ezine DNA Monthly. She wrote a book called Living Systems in Evolution and has done a lot of research basically comparing human evolution to the evolution of bacterial colonies.
BRYAN: Oh, really!
SOL: Yeah, it's fascinating. Some of her observations are just so keen. One of her points is that mutational insertions into the genome happen constantly at the microorganismic level--and may possibly be happening in humans in well. She's really making a point that such insertions could play a role in greater human evolution, but she isn't tying them into vaccines per se. Back to this whole idea that illness can be a crisis but also an opportunity ... If someone inserts a bunch of junk into your DNA and you have to transcend it, you're going to come out on the other end at a much higher level of mastery in consciousness.
BRYAN: You're right. Exactly. It's interesting to take a step back into her concept, comparing human and bacterial evolution. Bacteria are single-cell organisms, but they come together as a colony. When you view them as a group and their genetic activity as a colony, then it makes their DNA expression more sophisticated--much like ours--complex organisms made up of different single cells that are highly differentiated ... On the other hand, that's how bacteria become resistant to antibiotics.
SOL: Absolutely. She's pointing out how bacteria literally, in these colonies that are essentially cities, create homes, subdivisions, roads, waste removal, etc. There's a specific defense or immune response that bacteria have that they turn off when they come into the colony. So they actually appear to be a little more advanced than we are in some ways because they can coexist peacefully.
BRYAN: That's what I was going to say: they can create harmony quite successfully with their level of consciousness. And you're right, who's to say who is more evolved consciously or organically? What do most people ask of you for healing or to get their Regenetics process started? What can they expect from you to initiate it--instruction, interaction, or advice?
SOL: Nexus New Times is a publication out of Australia you're probably familiar with. They did a really nice review of our book Conscious Healing about a year ago. They called it "a paradigm-reworking book" and this one of the areas where it's definitely a paradigm-reworking book. We love when people come to us and have already read the book or at least our website. That's very helpful because it introduces the new paradigm. One of the main aspects of the new paradigm is that we're completely stepping away from the diagnostic model. Diagnosis, etymologically, means "to read through" in order to gain a higher knowledge or gnosis, but diagnosis has become in this culture a kind of death sentence in many instances. When we perform a Potentiation session for someone, we're essentially always doing the same thing--that is, activating the self-repair mechanism and initiating a bioenergetic recalibration. Diagnosis doesn't play a role in what we do. In fact, basing our position on a lot of studies that have shown that if you don't have attachment as a healer, you're a better healer, we often don't even want to know what's going on with our clients. This keeps us from having that very human tendency to say, "This person has a really serious problem. I hope we can help them!" That's attachment and right there you lose healing power based on a number of double-blind studies.
BRYAN: Lovely. But how do you begin teaching? First of all, can you tell me a little bit about some of the courses, because one of the things I wanted to know is what you consider your main interaction with people? How do you get your information out and how does this information impact people? How one-on-one are you?
SOL: At this point, we have a dozen or so Facilitators in three or four countries. In addition to distance healing, they also perform the work for people who choose to experience it in person. We spend a lot of time interacting with our clients and in training. We're really fortunate to have been doing this for several years now and to have a fairly well-established international clientele. A lot of times we're contacted via email to set up a session. We have scheduling materials designed to help orient people.
BRYAN: What are these materials like?
SOL: First of all, we agree on a time that works for both parties for the 30-minute session. We get an RSVP on that before moving forward. We talk a little bit about intention, setting intention, and working with intention. There really aren't any "don'ts" as long as you're conscious that this is what you want to do. Then for the session, people sometimes go into a meditation state, some people take a walk, etc. There are many different approaches. We perform sessions at a distance. We don't use the telephone, which is another piece of information we give people. The work is essentially ceremonial. Clients are instructed to interface with their own intentions in their own quiet space that feels good. A lot of times, the work is very tangible for people. We've gotten lots of very funny stories of people's experiences during the session of sweating, buzzing, you name it. Often the work will even start before the session begins. It's very nonlocal that way. Then we follow up by checking in with the client the following day. We're also available to answer questions and give feedback as people go through this process. Potentiation is a nine-month process once it initiates.
BRYAN: Is that in any way related to the term of pregnancy?
SOL: Yes, it is. We didn't set out in a conscious way for it to last that long, but it did. The third DNA activation in the Regenetics Method, Elucidation, also lasts a "gestation cycle" of just over nine months. We think of both of these activations as gestation cycles for new levels of consciousness.
BRYAN: Interesting.
SOL: It really is. The reason Leigh and I called our first book Conscious Healing was because we felt that what occurs to heal the body in this process is an increase in consciousness. Disease always stems from either toxicity or trauma, or both. One of the reasons we're not stuck on the diagnostic model is because when people go through this work, the energy that is initiated cycles through their electromagnetic fields and chakras. Each of these energetic centers is related to an organ, a set of emotions, a set of toxins, a set of pathogens, a set of disease conditions. So every time the energy passes through that frequency band, it works on healing all those issues. You don't have to direct the energy specifically because the intelligence of the body is doing it just fine. Let's say chronic fatigue is in someone's seventh field with that person's feelings of helplessness and apathy as well vaccine issues. All of these elements will tend to come up and out at the same time.
BRYAN: You're making mention of experiences, memories, exposure to toxins, all forms of energy that create harmony amongs themselves and then, synergistically, challenge a person's health and vitality.
SOL: Yes. Illness is typically a complex of things, elements building on other elements, where the sum is greater than the parts.
BRYAN: Right. That's what I'm picking up. What you're saying is that energy gets "unspiraled," so to speak, as your process progresses. Did you say that there is a facilitator and a receiver?
SOL: Yes, the Facilitator does the actual intoning, the chanting using the dual sound and thought sequences that we were given and that we teach.
BRYAN: Now, is anyone doing any documentation in the event some objective information comes through regarding a particular patient in their healing?
SOL: We have a couple of naturopaths, a licensed physical therapist, a psychotherapist and a massage therapist facilitating the work. Obviously, they're making some notes as to what's going on. There isn't currently an empirical study on Regenetics.
BRYAN: When you're working in this capacity with a client and some information surfaces, do you sometimes jot that down and share that with the patient to get some meaningful, objective feedback? Or do you tuck that away and just keep working with the energy?
SOL: We just work with the energy. If people come to us with questions, we might pull some of our insights out to share, but again, that's not the focus. Sharing too much borders on overstepping the proper boundaries. Too much sharing isn't necessarily "reading through" and can border on "reading into," which is the problem with a lot of present-day "diagnosis" and "readings." There's a wonderful, kind of funny book on the ascension process called What Is Lightbody? One of the beautiful lines in it is to the effect that, "Everyone here is a master and we are all just fine." We believe that people are extremely powerful. A lot of our time is spent like a coach on the sideline just saying, "You can do it!" You can do this. You know the answers. If you need different food, different supplementation, if you need any of that, then you know what it is. Listen to your cravings. What are your impulses? What are your dreams telling you? What is your body telling you? We're conditioned in this culture to give away all of our power to somebody else who's supposed to be an expert on our body …
BRYAN: And our preferences.
SOL: And our preferences.
BRYAN: What I find fascinating is that you have a very specific appreciation for hard science and expound on interrelating themes such as energy, thermodynamics, quantum physics, down to molecular biology. Why do you take the time to continue to ask those kinds of questions when you're working on a holographic level?
SOL: Because a lot of people aren't yet. In order to reach people, we found it very helpful to satisfy that left-brain part that might disregard or discount inner knowing. By bringing in some hard science and new genetics, we've found that we can help people consider the possibility that maybe there isn’t any such thing as hard science, that we're very powerful creators indeed. That's really why The Secret has taken off. I have lots of observations that I could make about some of the shortcomings in that movie, but its basic message is valid: reality isn't fixed in the way we've been taught.
BRYAN: Oh, really? How have we been taught?
SOL: We've been taught that there is an immutable "real," that everyone shares the same "reality," that DNA is a fixed program, that it can't evolve, that it has been this way for a long time and will always be this way. Then you have Gregg Braden in his most recent book, The Divine Matrix, drawing on lot of the same research we used when we were putting together the Regenetics Method, saying that based on the evidence, the "hard" scientific evidence, there's a previously unrecognized or unqualified form of energy that exists between living tissues, that cells and DNA communicate using this energy, that human emotion impacts it, and that somehow distance doesn't come into play at all with respect to this powerful genetic consciousness. There's this matrix surrounding us that is really torsion energy, taking the discussion back to Wilcock, that is directly modified by DNA just as it modifies DNA ... "As above, so below." The Hermetic Principle.
BRYAN: I agree with you one hundred percent. We've got this chemical concept called allosterism, which means that certain enzymes created by our DNA to interact with certain molecules have a certain structural activity relationship, which means they're meant to interact with some chemical that's made by our body. The DNA makes the chemical and also the membrane with which the enzyme to interact. So there's this opportunity for DNA to be in harmony with itself, if you can imagine DNA making a neurotransmitter and the same DNA being responsible for creating the membrane or the receptor with which the molecular neurotransmitter is to interact ...
SOL: A closed or self-referential circuit.
BRYAN: Right. I'm beginning to understand something about the Divine Matrix. As you were speaking I was picking up some information about the fact that human beings aren't the only organisms on earth with cellular DNA. I started to see plants, trees, animals and all kinds of microorganisms with their owned autonomous DNA energy contributing to this mass electromagnetic pattern. Could you expound a little on what you think about the healing of the planet and DNA? Do you feel that Regenetics applies even to other organisms, other kingdoms?
SOL: This is such a complex subject in some ways. An environmentalist friend of mine once remarked how hubristic it is for us to think that we could save the planet. We're her children, she's our mother. But at the same time, I feel that we can be of great benefit to the planet--so there is a reciprocal relationship. Earth can contribute to our healing, an we can contribute to her healing simultaneously, as we mutually contribute to the evolution, the Shift we're all experiencing. If you were to ask some of our Facilitators, you'd probably hear that they feel that Regenetics is absolutely in service to the planet, and that's the reason some of them offer it. We keep our focus on people, but there's another level or octave where we're working with even larger objectives. We think of ourselves as operating within an eight-dimensional system.
BRYAN: Pardon my "newbieism," but why do you think that's important, eight levels?
SOL: That's a great question, too. Normal people walking around who haven't done a certain level of activation on themselves or received an activation have nine electromagnetic fields--nine frequency bands, in other words--corresponding to nine chakras.
BRYAN: I knew you were going to say that.
SOL: Traditionally, you hear about seven chakras, but there have been a number of intuitives in recent years, such as Caroline Myss, who have picked up on an eighth and even a ninth chakra. Our understanding is that the eighth energy field governs maternal DNA and the ninth governs paternal DNA--so these are the subtlest of the chakras, but also the most powerful. The reason people have a ninth field to begin with is that they have an extra field, the second or sex chakra, that we call the Fragmentary Body. The Fragmentary Body is the duality principle imprinted by the initial speech act of creation that seeded the separation principle into human bioener-genetics. The first DNA activation in the Regenetics Method, Potentiation, recalibrates the body from nine chakras and fields to eight chakras and fields. In this process the Fragmentary Body--which is the very principle that keeps people separated, that ruins relationships, that drains our vitality--is "sealed." Once this "leak" is sealed, there's an abundance of torsion energy or kundalini, prana, chi or whatever you wish to call it, available to help heal the system. Keeping in mind the intimate relationship between the microcosmic and macrocosmic, it stands to reason, in our model, that if there are eight fields (which we think of as dimensions) in a healthy human system, there are probably eight universal dimensions leading to a ninth, which we envision as the transdimension of Source. Much of David Wilcock's work is also based on an eight-dimensional model.
BRYAN: You know, it's very interesting to understand how even our energy expression has a compensatory mechanism. When something gets out of whack, you're saying another concentrated energy expression gets created as ... a side effect or symptom that a facilitator can help correct.
SOL: The Fragmentary Body comes about as a surplus and is, effectively, a vacuum. It occupies a non-space and, in effect, separates our dense molecular physicality from the higher octaves of our spirituality. Many ancient techniques, including alchemy and meditation, have historically served to help "bridge" the Fragmentary Body, thus connecting, at least partially, spirit and matter. The problem with most of these ancient techniques that have come down to us, at least the ones I'm familiar with, is that they don't do anything to heal the Fragmentary Body itself. They mediate between the physical self and spiritual self, but they fail to establish the means by which we can be fully both physical and spiritual beings all the time.
BRYAN: Let's say we're looking at a human being with some health or emotional issues and we define these as an aspect of separation between the individual and the Divine Matrix. But by not really addressing what severs our connection, you're saying that it remains an intelligent energy of its own, the Fragmentary Body, that needs to be dealt with.
SOL: Well, "dealt with" in the sense of being integrated. The Fragmentary Body is the surplus, that part of us that we've pushed away from ourselves. It is both our greatest liability and greatest opportunity. You've probably heard of people having kundalini blowouts?
BRYAN: Yeah.
SOL: Running so much energy through their circuits they hurt themselves? Kundalini sits in the first chakra area, the root, coiled like a serpent ready to uncoil. Different techniques have had the ability historically to make that energy, like lightning, leap across the Fragmentary Body into the higher energy centers. These techniques have to employ such force to leap the Fragmentary Body that they can be dangerous, because you can blow out your frontal lobes basically, really fry your circuits. I'm familiar with another healer who used to be flown all over the world on a regular basis to help nurse people back to sanity and health who had fried themselves with kundalini.
BRYAN: Is kundalini what you would consider our primordial, most basic energy?
SOL: We call it Universal Creative Consciousness. It's just torsion energy. The human version of it in its most powerful form sits anatomically down around the first chakra. We've experienced and observed that when you seal the Fragmentary Body, you create a more stable road for this energy to travel up and down, and you don't have to have an explosion of kundalini to benefit from a gradual enhancement of this energy.
BRYAN: Got you. Before I pressed record, you told me a little about some of your classes. You mentioned a curriculum that's about to start in April. Can you tell us a little about that?
SOL: We're having a Regenetics Seminar in April and will be teaching all four levels of the work, the first three activations in addition to a series of supplemental activations called Songs of Distinction. We'll also be offering another Regenetics Seminar in the fall.
BRYAN: Can you tell us a little bit about Articulation?
SOL: After the energy has cycled through the electromagnetic fields and chakras during Potentiation, what you then have is a sealed Fragmentary Body awaiting further activation. Formerly, to be exact, this center was the Fragmentary Body, and now it's something different. But it hasn't even begun to reach its creative and energetic potential. Basically, Articulation is designed to "potentiate" the Fragmentary Body. We call it a "bioenergy enhancement" because it increases overall bioenergy, including systemic intelligence, creative expression, and healthy sexuality.
BRYAN: You also mentioned earlier that you have some new books coming out. Could you tell us a little about those?
SOL: The Spanish language edition of Conscious Healing will be released this spring. The Turkish edition came out last year and has sold very well. Then I have three seriocomic novels out (the first two of which I'm currently giving away) representing the first half of the Beginner's Luke Series. Beginner's Luke is about the role of consciousness and imagination in reality creation. These books are already written and I'm bringing them out sequentially.
BRYAN: You've already written all six?
SOL: Yes.
BRYAN: And they're fiction?
SOL: Yes, they're very irreverent in a lot of ways. Some of my favorite fiction writers are Jack Kerouac, Henry Miller, and Tom Robbins. My novels employ the platform of a character named Luke who invents his reality. In a fictitious way, they teach or model for people what they're already doing, consciously or otherwise.
BRYAN: What better way to introduce transcendental consciousness, and our creativity in tapping into it, than a novel?
SOL: I agree.
BRYAN: I just read C. G. Walters' Sacred Vow, which is also a novel that has a perspective of alternate, parallel, simultaneous, instantaneous realities. It's sort of an instruction manual for how to access this level of awareness. Do you believe in magic?
SOL: I absolutely believe we live in a magical world. Is "magic" required to live a magical existence? Certainly not.
BRYAN: What about your paintings? Are you going to open up a really cool gallery one day and sell your work? I've really been appreciating it.
SOL: Thanks. I don't know if I'm going to show it. I'm thinking about launching a website at some point and doing what's called giclees, which are very high-quality prints that people could order. It would be an online gallery and people could order prints of the paintings they like.
BRYAN: Lovely. Well, our time is about up. I can't believe how quickly the time has passed. I'm looking forward to reconnecting with you, Sol, and I really appreciate your coming on this show.
SOL: It's my pleasure.
BRYAN: If you had a little time to tell the audience in a nutshell what Regenetics is about, how would you lure them in?
SOL: I wouldn't try to "lure" anybody. Either people resonate with this work, or they don't. We've learned from doing this for a while that we only want to work with people who really want to work with us.
BRYAN: There you go, there it is right there. We want to work with people who want to work with us. Well, you did it. Thank you
SOL: Thank you, Bryan.
[Disclaimer: The Phoenix Center for Regenetics offers cutting-edge educational services and materials designed to activate unity consciousness and actualize human potential. Our Mission is to foster holistic wellbeing and conscious personal mastery. Our unique approach honors the full body-mind-spirit continuum while focusing on healing as an ultimately self-directed process of becoming "whole." The Developers and all trained Facilitators of the Regenetics Method (which subsumes Potentiation Electromagnetic Repatterning, Articulation Bioenergy Enhancement, Elucidation Triune Activation, and Songs of Distinction) offer DNA activation as educators and ordained ministers, not medical doctors, and do not purport to diagnose or treat illness of any kind. Regenetics Method information and sessions are offered, and accepted, as constitutionally protected exercises of freedom of speech and religion. The Developers and Facilitators of the Regenetics Method make no claims, promises or guarantees relative to specific health challenges. You are solely responsible for your own medical treatment and care.]
Copyright (c) 2008 by Sol Luckman & Bryan Flournoy. All Rights Reserved.
[Sol Luckman is author of the internationally acclaimed Conscious Healing: Book One on the Regenetics Method, editor of DNA Monthly, and cofounder of the Phoenix Center for Regenetics. His articles on the Regenetics Method of DNA activation have appeared in Atlantis Rising, Well Being Journal, Renaissance, Odyssey, Sedona Journal of Emergence and Kindred Spirit, and also have been featured in the alternative medicine anthologies Message of Spirit: A Manual for Your Mind and Heal Yourself with Breath, Light, Sound and Water. Nexus New Times called Conscious Healing, which also received a five-star endorsement from the Midwest Book Review and was recently translated into its third language, a "paradigm-reworking book" that introduces a "revolutionary healing science that's expanding the boundaries of being." For more information visit http://www.phoenixregenetics.org. Bryan Flournoy, pharmacist, medical intuitive and metatelepath, promotes the in-person and Internet radio workshop "Making-It-All-Click!" MIAC! is a collective intuitive experience through we we perceive and interpret all kinds of energy impressions as practical, higher-purpose information for daily guidance and Akashic creation. Contact Bryan by telephone at (419)260-2195 or via his website, http://www.making-it-all-click.com.]
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